The evangelical community is all abuzz about the appearance of Bro. Eddie Villanueva before the congregation of Pastor Apollo Quiboloy on February 3 for the group’s 25th anniversary. Much of the talk is unflattering to the presidential candidate, and if you log on to the Youtube posting of Villanueva’s speech and view the comments, you will see a man vilified as if he had committed the sins of Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker. Compromiser, he is being called.
To summarize, Villanueva had greeted Quiboloy’s congregation and called it “natatanging movement for the kingdom of God in our country and in this world.” And then, looking at the congregation all dressed in white, Villanueva said he was reminded of Revelation 3:5: “He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.”
He also said the group was named by God Himself (“… isang movement na pinanganlan ng ating Diyos na The Kingdom of Jesus Christ the Name Above Every Name”), and called the members “mga kapwa ko taga-langit” or my fellow residents of heaven. But the clincher was at the end of his short message when he said, “Narito kaming mga kandidato hindi para mangampanya. Narito kami upang magsabi ng amen sa inyong mission.”
(UPDATE: The video of Bro. Eddie speaking before Pastor Quiboloy’s congregation has been marked “private” by the poster and is no longer accessible except to his contacts. Too bad, but perhaps the comments section had become unwieldy due to the sheer volume of those who are piping in. I’m still embedding the video below even though the link is broken in the off-chance the poster will change his mind and make it public again.)
(UDATE 2: Someone posted the video on Viddler.com, and since it is public, I am embedding it here.)
(UPDATE 3: I have transcribed Villanueva’s controversial message, which you can read here.)
This last statement was especially disturbing to many: the word “amen” is rooted in the Hebrew āmēn, which means “truth” and “certainty.” According to the New Oxford American Dictionary, the Hebrew “amen” was “used adverbially as expression of agreement or consent, and adopted in the Septuagint as a solemn expression of belief or affirmation.”
As a preacher, Villanueva surely knows how heavy the word “amen” is. And he certainly knows who Quiboloy is and what he preaches: the man claims to be the “appointed son of God,” and appropriates unto himself all the claims that Jesus had made, including being “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). So when he says “amen” to his group’s mission, Villanueva was affirming these claims as well. Right?
Well…
Personally, I think Villanueva knew what he was getting into and either gave very broad and general statements or was being tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek about it. Let’s examine the controversial statements one by one:
1) “Natatanging movement for the kingdom of God in our country and in this world.” The Tagalog word natatangi is translated “unique” in English — which in itself means nothing more than “being the only one of its kind.” It is neither positive nor negative, and I think Villanueva chose this word carefully. Quiboloy and his group are certainly unique, as there is no other man in the world who claims to be the appointed son of God, and there is no other congregation that actually believes such a claim.
2) Revelation 3:5. Villanueva merely said he was reminded of this verse; he didn’t actually say he believed the congregation, all dressed in white, was who the verse was referring to.
3) “Isang movement na pinanganlan ng ating Diyos na The Kingdom of Jesus Christ the Name Above Every Name.” Again, this is neither good nor bad; Villanueva was merely stating that the group was named by God. If we believe Him to be sovereign, why would he not have a hand in naming Quiboloy’s group, or Villanueva’s, or Mike Velarde’s, or anyone else’s? Besides, just because God named something doesn’t mean it is good.
4) “Mga kapwa ko taga-langit.” I don’t think this is about salvation but about perspective. The whole context of Villanueva’s speech — and indeed, of his very campaign — is righteousness in government, and that righteousness comes from God. Quiboloy’s group, in spite of preconceived notions about it, is sincere in searching for God’s will for the world and for the country. Their perspective is heavenly — perhaps too heavenly, but heavenly nonetheless.
5) “Narito kaming mga kandidato hindi para mangampanya. Narito kami upang magsabi ng amen sa inyong mission.” Again, I think this should be taken in the context of what Villanueva’s own vision is: a government with no corruption, where righteousness rules, and which works to make the Philippines productive, prosperous, and respectable. I don’t think anyone can argue that Quiboloy’s group is not after the same thing. If anything, it is doing more than other churches in helping bring this about. It has ministries to the poor, to the children, for the environment, against corruption, etc. If these are its mission, then we should all give it a resounding “amen” as well.
We must remember that Villanueva, the moment he filed his certificate of candidacy (COC), ceased being a pastor and began being a candidate. And as a candidate, he needs to engage all citizens and tap them to become part of his mission. I personally don’t want a president who does not listen to one group simply because he does not believe in what they say. I want one who will listen to all groups — even one that believes its leader is the appointed son of God — and take their thoughts and ideas into consideration. That is the essence of democracy.
The problem, of course, will arise if, as president, Villanueva — or any of the other candidates — listens to one group more than to the others because that group was instrumental in his victory. But that is a different issue altogether, one that I will write about in the coming days. For now, let me just say that Villanueva is probably being misunderstood; his mission is still clear, and if he is seen to be compromising, it is a compromise that needs to be done. “Compromise,” after all, is not necessarily a bad word. Check your dictionary.
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For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10
I think he should take note of this verse.
and yes I personally think he is a compromiser, compromising his faith and the truth to please men. jnjqn, Christians do saw alot of compromising words and gestures words if looked into the dictionary may mean different to those who would like to assess it in terms of its meaning but we read it in terms of its use and how he delivers it..It is clear in Matthew 6:24. For us, being called to be a pastor is the highest calling for a man and being a president is like going down. Listening to different groups is different from agreeing to their claims..May God help the Philippines .
Jon, as always you are being the voice of reason. Unfortunately, people will not stop to take these things into consideration by thinking for themselves. The sad state is that we as a whole, allow others to do the thinking and assuming for us and we apathetically go along with the crowd. If we took the time and energy to think these things through, as you have, maybe these campaigns would be less frenetic. It’s all about emotional manipulation and the tiranny of the urgent over thoughtful contemplation and the value of personal investigation. Good word brother!
i agree with robert. tsk tsk tsk. compromising your faith just to win the crowds vote? i don’t think that’s a good idea. i don’t know what’s going on inside bro. eddie’s mind but what he did just pulled the integrity of “Christians” down. “Amen” to the mission of Quibuloy to deceive and bring more people to hell? wow! malaking pananagutan yan. tsk tsk. God save the Philippines.
..no offense to those who believe in him, but hey! Last election he said he was appointed by God..But he lost…kasi daw nadaya…God is greater than everyone..AMEN?…is it really possible for man to defeat God?.. May God help us… we all know that God will put in place the one He wanted, as part of His great plan.. But surely, God cannot be defeated by a mere mortal who plans to ruin His plan or even those who claim promises that are not for them.. Pray hard.. God has a plan..He always does..
Bro, i’m taking liberty to also submit my comments here as in your other post.
Thanks for the transcript! Here are my initial thoughts.
“Sa pangalan po ng Jesus Is Lord Worldwide Movement at ng Bangon Pilipinas ay buong-pusong binabati namin ang natatanging movement for the kingdom of God in our country and in this world, ang Kingdom of Jesus Christ The Name That Is Above Every Name sa pangunguna po ng ating ginagalang na kaibigan, Pastor Apollo Quiboloy”
Issue: “movement for the Kingdom of God”> Does BE really believe that the ACQ movement is a movement for the Kingdom of God? Notice how he has spiritualized the context of his statement.
“ng ating ginagalang na spiritual leader, Pastor Apollo Quibolo… sabi ko po sa kanila, nakita ko mga nakaputi, naalala ko yung Revelation 3:5. Sabi ho ng Revelation 3:5, “Yung maging mapagtagumpay hanggang sa huli hindi ko buburahin ang kanilang pangalan sa aklat ng buhay sa langit, dadamitan ko sila ng puting damit, ihaharap ko sila sa aking Ama at sa aking mga anghel.” Rev 3:5.”
Issue: BE connects the “ginagalang na spiritual leader” with the quote of Rev3:5; BE spiritualized his comments and so the “ang dating” of his words, or its ‘flavor’ or impact, appears to spiritually endorse ACQ and his movement.
“Kaya buong puso po ang pagbati ko sa inyong lahat sa isang movement na pinanganlan ng ating Diyos “The Kingdom of Jesus Christ The Name Above Every Name, King of kings and Lord of lords.””
Issue: Again BE has spiritualized his comments. BE identifies the official title of the ACQ camp and then says this is named by God Himself!? True, it can be taken that he is playing on words and thoughts here, but “ang dating” again is that he is spiritually endorsing the movement. And if he is playing on words here then what do we make of that, specially in the context of spiritual comments?
“Ako’y namangha sapagka’t para bang talaga hong inihanda ng Diyos yung lugar na ‘yon.”
Issue: Again he has spiritualized his comments with the same effect.
“gusto ko lang hong i-encourage kayong lahat, mga kapwa ko taga-langit… Narito kami upang magsabi ng “amen” sa inyong misyon.”
Issue: Same. Very consistent with his preceding comments.
“Again, congratulations to all of you, especially to the world-renowned preacher of righteousness, Pastor Apollo Quiboloy.”
Issues: With all the spiritualized context of his preceding comments BE makes this concluding statements that clearly links the ACQ group “to all of you” with ACQ himself “especially to the world-renowned preacher of righteousness, Pastor Apollo Quiboloy.”
Because BE has spiritualized his statements so it is fair to critique his words from that angle. If so the logic is inevitable that he has spiritually legitimized and endorsed ACQ and his movement!
If BE came on the platform as an aspiring politician and made a speech in the context of politics and the country then i would not have major problems. But he didn’t do that. Instead, he spoke as a spiritual leader, as a leader of another spiritual group, the JIL, notice his intro > “Sa pangalan po ng Jesus Is Lord Worldwide Movement…” and his political party only came in second.
As a prominent pastor/church leader of the evangelical charismatic faith he is responsible to make a clear distinction between his political role from his ecclesiastical position. I’M NOT PROPOSING A DISJUNCTIVE SPIRITUALITY. Rather, a sensitivity to the multilevel context he is in e.g. his position as pastor/spiritual leader in the larger evangelical church, his political ambition and all its implications, the Quiboloy phenomenon in our country, and the rest of the watching nation.
I think that he has not chosen his words well enough. I believe that there are legitimate grounds for those people who have taken offense because of his speech. Because of his stature, and the position that he is seeking to attain, I think it is fair to expect better from him.
We can argue as to what he actually meant when he said such and such a comment and used such and such words, pero still, ‘ang dating’, at least to me, is that he has spiritually endorsed ACQ.
Jms3:1
eirene
I have the same view with eirene with regards to her exegesis on BE’s statements. From the one who for years has worn out his Bible in teaching the word of God to the people, it is hard to consider these statements which sound so naive to the Evangelical theology.
He could have focused on stipulating his political platform without touching those delicate (theological)issues. The salient motive here was political and what caused it a problem was that it was spiritualized.
We are praying for a president whose leadership will be firmly founded by his strong and uncompromising spirituality.
I am not giving my judgment over BE’s spirituality, but maybe the statements that he released worldwide did somehow gave him the opportunity to evaluate himself as God gave to all of us that He loved.
I’m praying for you Bro. Eddie. I am praying for our nation Philippines.
mimi
Integrity is what I look for in a candidate.
A clear indicator of integrity (or lack of it) is how far a candidate would go to win votes. Pandering to a certain group, and blurring the distinction from your own convictions speaks volumes about a person’s integrity.
Bro. Eddie might as well stop saying he stands for righteousness. Righteousness is never vague or ambiguous.
I’m sorry Bro. Eddie; you just lost my vote.
Bro Eddie sinagot ng diretsahan ang compromise issue with Quiboloy and Manalo – IPASA SA LAHAT NG “KRISTIYANONG” NAGTATANONG
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Yesterday at 11:36am
To the brethren na nagtranscribe, “kuya lito” salamat sa pagtyatyaga mo sa transcription.
Pakityaga lang po panoorin ang video kasi recorded live po yun, unedited, kaya medyo nasa bandang gitna pa yung part ng video na sinasabi sa baba (plotted at 00:46:00). Pero worth watching ang buong video dahil karamihan sa common questions ng mga “kristyanong naturingan” eh sinagot mismo ni Bro.Eddie.
-karis-
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Maybe your one of me among the many of those Christians who were wondering what in the world was Bro. Eddie doing in the wake of Erdy Manalo and in the Anniversary of Apollo Quiboloy. Here’s our chance to listen to (or read) his reply.
I have transcribed Bro. Eddie’s response during a question in a BPBPM forum in Roxas City yesterday. Feel free to comment and distribute.
The video was posted here: http://www.ustream. tv/recorded/ 5802242 its at 46 minutes of the video
Kuya Lito
* * *
Roxas City
April 12, 2010
Emcee: I am a Christian and one reason why many hesitate to vote for Bro. Eddie is the compromise that you are doing and the fear of making compromises in the future with the God that you serve. What can you say to this?
Bro Eddie: Kasi ho nagpunta ako sa patay nung mamatay si Ka Erdie Manalo. Yung ibang mga Cristiano na malawak ang kaisipan (making circles on his head), “Eh ba’t nagpunta sa supreme minister ng iglesia eh born again siya?”. Nung makita niya ako sa anniversary ni Pastor Quiboloy sa Inarez Statium sa Antipolo, yung malawak ang isip na kapatid nating Cristiano eh compromiser daw si Bro. Eddie.
Bro Eddie: Listen carefully please, number one biblical reason, 1 Corinthians 9 if i need to be a Jew, I have to be a Jew. if i need to be a Roman i have to be a Roman, if that is the only way i can gain these people for the kingdom of God . Number two reason, si John F Kennedy (student po ako ng history nahalukay ko po ito) the first Catholic President of the United States of America when he assumed office in the white house he was visited by a Catholic Cardinal obviously asking a special favor prejudicial against the non-catholics. Anong sabi ni John F Kennedy? “I am sorry Cardinal, my religion is secondary to me. First and foremost I am elected as president of all American people.” Kaya sabi ng mga historian at mga political analyst, despite the weaknesses of John F. Kennedy as a man… president John F. Kennedy was considered by history as one of the great presidents of america because of his non-discriminatory policy.
Bro Eddie: Hindi pusibleng baguhin natin ang Pilipinas, di pupuwedeng palayain natin ang milyon-milyong Pilipino sa kahirapan, hindi pupuwedeng ibalik natin ang dangal at puri ng Pilipinas sa mata ng mundo ay Presidente lang ako ng born again? Hindi ba mas majority ng mga tao natin ay Catholics, may Muslims may mga Protestants may mga sari-saring grupo?
Bro Eddie: Aking pakiusap, lawakan na natin ang isip natin. Si Bro. Eddie ang relihiyon personal relationship na ng tao sa Dios. Kaya ho ang JIL walang relihiyon eh. Matagal ko nang tinuturo sa telebisyon mag-JIL ka man sa impyerno pa rin ang punta mo. Ang kailangan natin ay hindi relihiyon para maligtas. Pinag-aralan ko ang relihiyon, I can debate with anyone. Debater po ako nung unang panahon eh. Pag wala akong debate nalulungkot ako eh. Ang Bibliya ho maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw. Anong sabi ni Jesus Christ? I am the way, the truth and the life, no man can come to the Father except by me. Sinabi ba ni Jesus Christ, I am one of the many ways? Hindi. Sinabi ba niyang “I am a way” implying he is one of the many ways? Hindi. Jesus Christ emphatically said, I AM THE… THE WAY… the only way, no man can come to the Father except by me. Magprotestante ka, magebanghelika ka, magbuddhist ka, maghindi ka, magmuslim ka, magcatholic ka, magJIL ka, mag assemblies of God ka,… kapag wala kang relasyon sa Dios sa pamamagitan ni Hesus… sa impyerno pa rin ang bagsak natin
(claps)
Bro Eddie: Kaya hindi dapat yun ang nagdidivide at nagaaway sa relihiyon eh. Kaya maganda yung awit ni Imelda Papin, “Magkaisa”.
(people shouting)
Bro Eddie: Sampol daw? (looking at Imelda Papin)…Marami ho akong gustong sabihin sa inyo, minsan mag-usap tayo ng mahaba-haba. Pag nasa Malacanang ho tayo, sa palagay nyo ba pag inimbita ko ang founder ng lahat ng relihiyon one on one kami hindi ko maipapakilala sa kanila ang tunay na Dios na may gawa ng langit at lupa? Hindi nyo ba naiisip yun (pointing his finger on his head, laughing)
(claps)
Bro Eddie: Kasi po hindi relihiyon ang magliligtas sa tao eh. Yakapin man natin, “pinanganak akong protestante dito ako mamamatay”, “pinanganak akong katoliko dito ako mamamatay”,. .. Niyayakap natin ang kinagisnan natin pero nakalimutan natin yakapin yung namatay sa krus ng kalbaryo na nagbayad ng ating mga kasalanan ay mayroon pa rin tayong reserved seat sa impyerno. Kaya ho ako. Wala akong relihiyon eh, meron akong relasyon sa Dios. Ang JIL ho hindi relihiyon yan. It is a ministry to bring people regardless of race, color, nationality and religious affiliation to the kingdom of God . Gusto ko walang taong mapunta sa impyerno eh. Lahat mapunta sa langit eh. Yun ang gusto ko eh.
one can campaign on a platform of righteousness in government without having to compromise core biblical values just to “tickle the ears” of the group he is reaching out to. no need to “help” God win the votes for you if you really believe that God is on your side. yes it is GOD who installs leaders. but it is not only for the nation to reap His blessings. sometimes GOD installs evil leaders to chastise, humble and wake up a stiff-necked, rebellious nation.
Great job!
I just want to share this link and hoping this will enlighten all your readers.
http://smurrell.multiply.com/journal/item/478/Why_is_Good_Leadership_So_Rare_in_Civil_Government
thanks for that link, ramil. are we related?
Hello Sir jnjqn. siguro nga po kasi konti lang naman ang joaquin sa Philippines. Ang lolo ko is from Macabebe Pampangga yata. Related din kami sa mga Yabut. Kayo po taga-saan?
my roots are in guiguinto, bulacan. i’m not sure we have relatives in pampanga, but i’ll ask my family. at any rate, it’s great to have another joaquin blogging
good to have your view but kapatid,
being a pastor is always a pastor, you can not ceased to be one even you file you coc,that calling is even hgher than the higest position here on earth.
remember no prophets desire to become a leader even in o.t. times
To:jnjqn
Kami ay nasa Pulilan lang. Malapit lang pala heheh.
to: @noel r dimacali
What about kingly anointing? One good example is David. From being Priest he was called to be King.
“What about kingly anointing? One good example is David. From being Priest he was called to be King.”
> Kingly anointing yes. But David was NEVER a priest! From shepherd boy to warrior to king of Israel. That’s his “official” career path.
You missed the point of Noel, he said that no official prophet in the OT ever aspired kingly political leadership, this is true.
Good Answer Ramil… You really know your Bible… Noel you should read your Bible again. Many Great Leaders (Man of God) can be found in the Bible.
WELL SAID JNJQN!!!
Bro Eddie sinagot ng diretsahan ang compromise issue with Quiboloy and Manalo – IPASA SA LAHAT NG “KRISTIYANONG” NAGTATANONG
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Yesterday at 11:36am
To the brethren na nagtranscribe, “kuya lito” salamat sa pagtyatyaga mo sa transcription.
Pakityaga lang po panoorin ang video kasi recorded live po yun, unedited, kaya medyo nasa bandang gitna pa yung part ng video na sinasabi sa baba (plotted at 00:46:00). Pero worth watching ang buong video dahil karamihan sa common questions ng mga “kristyanong naturingan” eh sinagot mismo ni Bro.Eddie.
-karis-
————————————–
Maybe your one of me among the many of those Christians who were wondering what in the world was Bro. Eddie doing in the wake of Erdy Manalo and in the Anniversary of Apollo Quiboloy. Here’s our chance to listen to (or read) his reply.
I have transcribed Bro. Eddie’s response during a question in a BPBPM forum in Roxas City yesterday. Feel free to comment and distribute.
The video was posted here: http://www.ustream. tv/recorded/ 5802242 its at 46 minutes of the video
Kuya Lito
* * *
Roxas City
April 12, 2010
Emcee: I am a Christian and one reason why many hesitate to vote for Bro. Eddie is the compromise that you are doing and the fear of making compromises in the future with the God that you serve. What can you say to this?
Bro Eddie: Kasi ho nagpunta ako sa patay nung mamatay si Ka Erdie Manalo. Yung ibang mga Cristiano na malawak ang kaisipan (making circles on his head), “Eh ba’t nagpunta sa supreme minister ng iglesia eh born again siya?”. Nung makita niya ako sa anniversary ni Pastor Quiboloy sa Inarez Statium sa Antipolo, yung malawak ang isip na kapatid nating Cristiano eh compromiser daw si Bro. Eddie.
Bro Eddie: Listen carefully please, number one biblical reason, 1 Corinthians 9 if i need to be a Jew, I have to be a Jew. if i need to be a Roman i have to be a Roman, if that is the only way i can gain these people for the kingdom of God . Number two reason, si John F Kennedy (student po ako ng history nahalukay ko po ito) the first Catholic President of the United States of America when he assumed office in the white house he was visited by a Catholic Cardinal obviously asking a special favor prejudicial against the non-catholics. Anong sabi ni John F Kennedy? “I am sorry Cardinal, my religion is secondary to me. First and foremost I am elected as president of all American people.” Kaya sabi ng mga historian at mga political analyst, despite the weaknesses of John F. Kennedy as a man… president John F. Kennedy was considered by history as one of the great presidents of america because of his non-discriminatory policy.
Bro Eddie: Hindi pusibleng baguhin natin ang Pilipinas, di pupuwedeng palayain natin ang milyon-milyong Pilipino sa kahirapan, hindi pupuwedeng ibalik natin ang dangal at puri ng Pilipinas sa mata ng mundo ay Presidente lang ako ng born again? Hindi ba mas majority ng mga tao natin ay Catholics, may Muslims may mga Protestants may mga sari-saring grupo?
Bro Eddie: Aking pakiusap, lawakan na natin ang isip natin. Si Bro. Eddie ang relihiyon personal relationship na ng tao sa Dios. Kaya ho ang JIL walang relihiyon eh. Matagal ko nang tinuturo sa telebisyon mag-JIL ka man sa impyerno pa rin ang punta mo. Ang kailangan natin ay hindi relihiyon para maligtas. Pinag-aralan ko ang relihiyon, I can debate with anyone. Debater po ako nung unang panahon eh. Pag wala akong debate nalulungkot ako eh. Ang Bibliya ho maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw. Anong sabi ni Jesus Christ? I am the way, the truth and the life, no man can come to the Father except by me. Sinabi ba ni Jesus Christ, I am one of the many ways? Hindi. Sinabi ba niyang “I am a way” implying he is one of the many ways? Hindi. Jesus Christ emphatically said, I AM THE… THE WAY… the only way, no man can come to the Father except by me. Magprotestante ka, magebanghelika ka, magbuddhist ka, maghindi ka, magmuslim ka, magcatholic ka, magJIL ka, mag assemblies of God ka,… kapag wala kang relasyon sa Dios sa pamamagitan ni Hesus… sa impyerno pa rin ang bagsak natin
(claps)
Bro Eddie: Kaya hindi dapat yun ang nagdidivide at nagaaway sa relihiyon eh. Kaya maganda yung awit ni Imelda Papin, “Magkaisa”.
(people shouting)
Bro Eddie: Sampol daw? (looking at Imelda Papin)…Marami ho akong gustong sabihin sa inyo, minsan mag-usap tayo ng mahaba-haba. Pag nasa Malacanang ho tayo, sa palagay nyo ba pag inimbita ko ang founder ng lahat ng relihiyon one on one kami hindi ko maipapakilala sa kanila ang tunay na Dios na may gawa ng langit at lupa? Hindi nyo ba naiisip yun (pointing his finger on his head, laughing)
(claps)
Bro Eddie: Kasi po hindi relihiyon ang magliligtas sa tao eh. Yakapin man natin, “pinanganak akong protestante dito ako mamamatay”, “pinanganak akong katoliko dito ako mamamatay”,. .. Niyayakap natin ang kinagisnan natin pero nakalimutan natin yakapin yung namatay sa krus ng kalbaryo na nagbayad ng ating mga kasalanan ay mayroon pa rin tayong reserved seat sa impyerno. Kaya ho ako. Wala akong relihiyon eh, meron akong relasyon sa Dios. Ang JIL ho hindi relihiyon yan. It is a ministry to bring people regardless of race, color, nationality and religious affiliation to the kingdom of God . Gusto ko walang taong mapunta sa impyerno eh. Lahat mapunta sa langit eh. Yun ang gusto ko eh.
(claps)
i hate to say this but it sounds there are christians sounding like pharisees who have holier than thou attitude.
i watched the video time & time again, i didn’t think bro. eddie compromised.
he’s just trying to reach out to all Filipino regardless of religious affiliations. This is an election… sino iboboto nyo. are they better than bro. eddie?
[...] his faith by attending the 25th anniversary of Pastor Apollo Quiboloy’s congregation (see my blog entry). “Kuya Lito” took the time and effort to transcribe the pertinent portion of Bro. [...]
Kung compromising ang ginawa ni BE at ang hatol sa kanya ay compromiser ng ilang mga “christians daw” sa thread nato…ibig pa lang sabihin compromiser din si Jesus Christ.
Remember he was also judged by the pharisees of being a compromiser for eating and drinking with “the sinners” of his time just because he was reaching out to those lost souls who were also seeking to be liberated from spiritual poverty? And now, those people are not different from our people of today, we are also seeking to be liberated from poverty, the whole nation is in economic poverty. Filipinos from all walks of life have CHANGE as their war cry, and here is somebody who stood out to take the challenge of becoming a way to achieve it. Yet, he is branded as a compromiser because to achieve it, he has to eat and drink with every religious groups along the way. By the way, these religious groups that are not “christians” like him are also Filipinos who are hoping and crying for a better leadership and change in the government .
There are two issues I noticed with this thread. Two questions: Is brother Eddie indeed a compromiser? Or are we just having the same critical spirit as that of the religious-know- it- all- holier- than -thou Pharisees of His time?
Yeah, the critics of Bro. Eddie are more like Pharisees.. They really criticize and defend themselves as the right ones. Nakakatawa lang that they know it a lot more than our God who really sees what is right and what is wrong.
May modern day pharisees na tayo. Next na ang modern day pontiuse pilate.
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Quite frankly I’m tired of this squid tactic judgment “you pharisees!” accusations. Mga kapatid, we’re all called to be accountable to each other. We’re all called to test and discern, even those recognized prophets in our midst! (See 1Cor 14) This includes those functioning leaders, preachers-teachers as Bro. Eddie.
Was Paul pharisaical when he rebuked Peter’s compromise? (Gal 2:11-14). The issue has nothing to do with being pharisaical at all. It has nothing to do with being judgmental. LET’S STICK TO THE ISSUES PLEASE. I submitted my thoughts above (March 2). If you have problems with that, fine, but please point out the issues and don’t just make this nonsensical accusations of “you pharisee!”
I wonder who’s being the pharisee here!?
Let me cut in at this point and ask for civility. Name-calling is easy to do, but it is not productive. As Bogs says, let’s stick to the issues. Let’s not label anybody.
In the future, I will either not approve or delete comments that call other people “pharisees.”
Thanks, and peace to all.
Jon
Amen Jon, and peace to all too.
yeap! AMEN to that Jon!
At the end of the day, it will be more important to live a holy life as Christ intended us to be. Eddie is right, the Christian life is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. No debate will ever prove that any of us has or has not the Son of God in our lives. It is between I and my Savior, Jesus. I will answer to Him, and Him alone. The same goes for Eddie.
But I have a question for Eddie, is Quiboloy’s group a cult or not? (Yes or No)